Hi there! I would be willing to hear some more info from you guys, especially the ones who use also single drive setup’s and maybe even pneumatic tires…
Can you slow down yourself decently enough not to gain dangerously high speed?
Unfortunately im running car esc with single drive setup and brakes are either too weak or too strong…
Esc is FVT 120… I believe Vesc might solve this problem but I am still interested as I have not seen much feedback about this.
I tried to lower the brake percentage but then the brakes seemed not to work at all…
One mistate I did, was to enable reverse, so im afraid that it might actually want to switch to reverse when im braking more than usual… especially when going down a hill…
So this is on my to do list - disable reverse.
Otherwise, the only possible option im seeing here is to install mechanical brakes or add the second motor… but 2nd motor still does not give me the right amount of safety i think, since the problem is in electronics and too much braking force being applied in too short amount of time.
The trucks are usually brutally pushed to one side when brakes are applied…
VESC makes it much more controllable, the car ESCs seem to have binary brakes(either full brake or no brake) most of the time.
In the best case (Or better in every case before you go down a hill), i would say learn to stop your board without motors (Footbrake, slide).
For me i have a simple rule:
Do nothing on an Electric Board what you can not do without one.
If i can not do 50 Downhill skateing, i will not do 50 on an Esk8.
If i can not stop my board down a big hill, i do not go down that hill.
That is maybe not the most fun or comfortable way, but i would rather walk than hurt myself badly.
Well… the board would easly reach 50-60kph if no brakes would be applied… that’s for sure
And I cannot really slide as Im using pneumatic tires… and even then i would need these plastic things for gloves and probably way better road than the one on which I was going
FVT 120 has somewhat better brakes than the most but it is still not perfect as it looks, though it is definately better than those on (100%) / off brakes some esc’s have.
I went up a nasty hill and the place im residing now has some big ass hills which are scary and requires max brakes applied when going with bicycle already… u can imagine how fast the board speeds up from those hills…
To be honest, I even tried to brake with a stick… but the surface area was not large enough and I still had to bail as my bushings got loose (wobbly) at over or close 30kph, but I somehow bailed succesfully, even though my heart was racing a bit dramatically after the bail and the whole situation was a bit tense
Well, i can imagine it quite good, as i come from Downhill skateing. Well, i dont know the FVT ones, but my MAX 6 has very good brakes and it still is a difference like day to night between those and a VESC.
Honestly, get yourself a pair of cheap shoes (with abrasion resistant or thich soles) and learn footbrakeing. it is fairly easy to learn and a huge benefit. In normal longboarding, you normally learn it even before pushing. That often gets lost in Esk8teing, which, in my opinion contributes to a fairly high amount of accidents.
With a bit of practice you can brake to standstill even from 40-50 kph. if you go faster, you also may learn to slide.
I can easily control and stop a board up to 60 kph with slideing it down to 30 and then footbrake to a halt.
Yeh, in this situation it looks like the culprit of everything is the crappy esc brakes… on flat they are manageable… but when going down a hill they become quite scary.
Well my board is probably higher up the ground than most… I use 6inch pneumatics…
I’ve heard about foot braking but I still dont trust it at speeds I can easly reach from steep hill,… as the road usually is not perfect and it might end even worse … by trying to balance on the board at such speed and at the same time trying to apply good enough pressure on the ground and be lucky not to hit a pothole or something.
I will throw in some pics about what scenarious im talking about here… i think it is definately a hill for downhillers, who want to reach 60-80kph of speed easly… only if the road was better and there were no sharp turns now and then…
Uii, some nice road porn.
The sharp corners are the fun stuff about downhill. if you run Pneumatics(Mountainboard?) maybe mechanical brakes area good way to go. or you buy a leather suit so yau can bail without hurting yourself.
Yeh… I was definately thinking about this … how I could slide like a fucking turtle… if i had too much speed and just wanted to stop
But that would probably require motorcycle grade armor, to do such stunt…
I should have taken the photo of that stick thing I was using… probably looked way more funny than it was practical… though I did ride like a kilometer before I decided it is too much since I was not familar with the road and where can I bail safely enough not to gain too much speed
With the brake problem im facing now im not even sure can I safely sell my board to anyone before i have made some proper mechanical brakes for it…
Plus, I would still need decent gloves with pads and all of that…
And … as always… there is someone in these videos who does fall down so I suspect it will take many times to get it right and dont slide out / fall down while going down like that
Different story about pros… who do manage to go all the way down with making great slides and who does not ‘‘catch’’ the road with their body
So yeh… for the circumstances im in, I would probably need dual drive with vescs… otherwise at least nice mechanical brakes to properly slow down… the road I think is way too crappy there and too grainy to enjoy it enough with regular street wheels
yeh, definately… at first I didnt feel it as much (or maybe because I had bigger wheels?) but now it kind of ruins the fun, since it is way easier to turn to one side than it is to turn to the side on which the motor is mounted…
Im actually riding front wheel drive now, too… it somewhat helps with steering but at the same time makes braking even scarier… though the brakes were quite bad already before… now it is just more harsh
Plus… I still got quite loose trucks and im having regular skate trucks unfortunately … not the spring ones…
I completely agree with this. You should be able to stop at any speed you skate. I worry a bit because electric skateboards can quickly put beginners at speeds beyond their skill level. Knowing how to footbrake will really save you in a bind. The first time I took my homebrew e-board down a steep hill, the entire belt slipped off the wheel pulley… and instantly, no brakes. I footbraked and it was no big deal
I feel like I can go faster on a gravity board than my electric one, because I am more confident in the brakes… which is ironic because my e-skate actually HAS brakes. So I made an “e-slide” glove that I can use for an emergency stop if needed. Sliding is much more effective than electric braking
I’ve run multiple car ESCs and I’ve never had one that had brakes on or off, that being said they were never good.
Regarding the VESC you can set the Battery Min to control the brake level. I usually keep mine at -12 to -15 depending on how hard it want the brakes. At -12 it is a little squishy but it’s also very easy to control. At say -20 you really have to depend on the trigger response of your remote to achieve the brake level you need in that second(actually less than a second).
Just not economically.
Those Abec11 Flywheels leave some nice thane lines on the floor but wear down pretty fast.
I stopped slidng with them after i killed my first set.
Also they tend to flatspot (Or i do? My nickame does not come out of nowhere but still…)
and i simply dont like killing a set of wheels every two months.
No definitely. I actually don’t want to slide my 75a Flywheels, because I don’t want to scrub them. That soft urethane will chunk if you don’t break them in before sliding. The hookup is pretty strong too
The 81a slides well once broken in. I’ve had 90mm 81a flywheels on my speedboard for years now (doesn’t get much use anymore, because lately I have been going up hills fast instead of down them)