How many amps do you pull on your setup?

6S setup, enertion RSpec 6372

From the measurement I did when I had the wattmeter plugged in between the battery and the FVT ESC: 10-20 Ah when accelerating slowly and cruising (~250/500Wh) and 40Ah (900Wh) at peak (accelerating full throttle uphill)

On the VESC, initially I had configured motor max as 40A and then 50A but I had not enough power to accelerate strongly uphill (I weigh 95kg), after I changed it to 60A I never experienced cut-offs so I guess the max drain will be around 55A.

My question is, if I had a 12S setup then I could set motor max to 30-40A and not experience cut offs in theory isnt it?

yes in theory that would be correct it also depends on terrain and gearing too

@willpark16 you’re on a tear today … Go take a nap or something … Even better … Go Skate

haha just took my nap

So with amperages sounding so low, why does everyone use really high amperage ESCs? couldnt you use a 45-60A car ESC if you barely hit 40A?

To keep the mosfets (a.k.a. FETs) of the ESC cool. They handle most of the current in the ESC, they switch and modulate the current from battery to motor (electrical side of the things, the main chip instead, the DRV in case of VESCs, sends low voltage pulses to them to control their output current)

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im assuming everyone is using the vesc. This allows them to run there motor at its optimum

couldn’t you just mod one and add a massive heatsink ?

or maybe go crazy and do water cooling or submerged oil cooling :imp:

yes, people put small heatsinks that have adhesive tape on them (like these) or thermal glue to keep them cool, or even a piece of metal so the dissipation surface is increased, also if you add more code to the VESC that does extra calculations is recommended to cool the main chip down as well.

Im talking about a car esc, not the vesc

Yes, these things apply to any ESC, every ESC has a chip that is the “brain” of the ESC, and does the calculation for draining and outputting the right current based on the receiver’s input, battery and motor status, and that chip, like the FETs, has to be kept cool as well.

ah, i see what your saying now.

CSI

Chinese Spec Inflation

Average 600 watts and max out at 3500 watts when accelerating on a dual drive.

I’ve been planning forever to pot my vescs since then they wouldn’t be suffering the physical abuse that they get otherwise and according to Chaka and Vedder the vesc’s fets are the only heat source that I’d need to worry about and shouldn’t be potted.

The brain doesn’t get that hot?

I have so much potting resin but am still afraid to do it. Wouldn’t need an enclose just glue it to the board with the potting resin. How fragile are the fets? I planned to have them exposed and just covered with stick-on heatsinks.

Main reason is lower amp car esc’s are less than 6s.

Hello everyone! A topic about what is the real amp draw / current needs for a system surfaced on another topic.

So, gladly @DeathCookies made a simple template for everyone to enter their data into

Although, it is still in beta stage and needs to be improved!


Any feedback / improvements would be great!


Poll for entering Amp draw data:

http://gct-hp.de/esk8/index.php


We don’t have a seperate topic for feedback / improvements yet, so you could contact @DeathCookies by messaging him.


I can invite everyone to our conversation, if someone is up to contribute more in creating this tool.

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Original disccusion started on this thread:

Here is what @whitepony posted:

Which may give a hint to which direction should we start going, as his suggestion is more detailed than what I suggested.

nice effort! :slight_smile: not sure if this worked though - had a weird result screen after submit. also I got a lot of suggestions since many things arent clear enough and allow various funky inputs:

gear ratio -> example of input in brackets (16/36, 1:2, …) wheel size -> add unit (mm) board weight -> add unit (kg) rider weight -> add unit (kg) battery voltage -> add “nominal” battery capacity -> add unit (Ah) C-Rating -> floating number with “,” or “.”? imo: add “Continuous Current (A)” and calculate C-Rating and vice versa!

peak draw -> add unit (A) or power (W) average draw -> add unit (A) or (W) max speed -> add unit kph, mph or m/s energy consumed -> add unit (Wh) watt/hour per mile -> thats wrong, change to Wh/mile (I prefer Wh/km obviously) Energy consumed -> add unit Wh

Hill Time -> add “in % of total ride” Average incline -> add “in %”

the lower 4 entries are supposed to be what?

max wattage used -> max power used in units (W) avg wattage used -> avg power used in units (W) watt/hour -> not sure what that is supposed to be? wat/hour per mile -> Wh/mile

imo, to the right of the entries should be an example template completely filled out so that people can at least see if their numbers make ANY sense at all. not everyone is firm with basic physics, units, etc!

also, please no unnecessary input: from avg speed, distance and energy consumed, the script should calculate avg draw and Wh/mile on its own - no need for the user to calculate all that imo.

personally I would also add ESC & commutation mode (maybe as text like you did for motor), single/dual/quad config and belt/hub (which is probably halfway clear with gearing)!

p.s.: dont have access to that link: http://www.electric-skateboard.builders/t/custom-poll/6171

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… (wrong place)