I want to build a direct drive motor, similar to Carvon, or Fliess’ build ( https://www.electric-skateboard.builders/t/fliess-3-einmal-directdrive-immer-directdrive/32279 ) and I know how to decide what kv and the type of battery pack to use with a 63xx motor, but I just came across an 8072 with 6000W and is 165kv and can go up to 15s for a battery pack. Also I was looking at an 80100 which can have a custom kv, or they have it ranging from 50kv-200kv with many kv’s inbetween those two values and they are 6000W-7000W, and can have a battery pack up to 18s.
So the most we can run on our VESC’s is 12s, but what I would like to know is how to determine the best way to run one of these motors, ranging from the kv choice, to the power of the battery pack. Or would running these at 12s just be pointless? I feel like the 8072 is one that could be possible to get good performance out of, but maybe the 80100’s are just going to be too underpowered…
Any advice, comments would be greatly appreciated. I figure if those are all not worth it, I can at least still use the 6384 that they have at 100kv and 4000W. That would be a beast in speed and torque I think, and it’s only 20mm longer for a dual setup so I know that would be great… I just want to check on the larger 80xx’s before I choose.
You will not want to run a high kV motor in hub or direct drive, when its a 1:1 gear ratio you will need lower kV for the torque really high kV you will struggle to even start it, let alone high kV over heats really fast with higher kV as well .kV for direct should be 70kv to 140kv max. Also depends on motor size
Also you dont want to use so huge motor like 80100, you wont be able to fit it on the truck, not even with wide calibers I would use dual 6354, APS have a nice DIY 60kv 6354 motor kit you could use easily there was a user who did so and make really sweet dual drive, I might find the topic later…
Thanks! Yeah I figured the 80xxx sized motors were not going to be doable, but, I do know I can get some 6384’s on there no problem, just like Carvon’s or Fliess did for his build ( https://www.electric-skateboard.builders/t/fliess-3-einmal-directdrive-immer-directdrive/32279 ) though he was using the 6374’s, but I think I can fit some of APS’s 6384’s on there and have a incredibly powerful board…
I just looked at the thread you posted, I have looked that one over many times, but it requires a whole lot of work with tools I don’t have. In the link I have up, the guy doesn’t have to do a hole lot to get them working and mounted, plus, now there are hub wheel adapters already made so I wouldn’t even have to have one CNC’d for me now…
I’m thinking that 100kv is a nice sweet spot, between 85kv and 110kv like the V4’s, but a more powerful motor so I think it’ll have better torque and acceleration. Probably would have about the same top speed though, or maybe a bit more… Lol, that’s what I’m hoping for!
Yea you are right, he didnt use a lot of tools, it looks so easy, but if you noticed he later replaced the housing with his own, which certainly took him a lot of time to make…
Well the Carvon V4 SD-R are 110kv 2500W and that’s a 6364, and it gets a top speed of ~40mph
The V4 SD-XL is 85kv 2750W and it’s a 6374, but the top speed is about 5mph less so ~35mph
I’m theorizing that a 6384 with 4000W and 100kv (about halfway between the previously mentioned) will have about the same amount of torque, as the XL and probably have the speed of the R.
Am going to tell u the numbers on speed not always true, one member had a carvon 4wd speed drive r and easily hit 45mph
My quad carvon xl should easily hit 45 as well
Been getting kicked out of parking garages for the past 15 years, lol. I would say I am not a pro or anything, but I can handle pretty much whatever I put my mind to.
You plan on going dual or single? You didnt specify…
I like that you have experience Hope you are familiar with speeds like 40 MPH…I still dont recommend you to risk your life going that fast…dont risk your life (or at least wear lot of protective gear)…It is your choice and your life do whatever you want to, dont be surprised if you get hurt
I plan to start with dual, and then go 4WD. I’m very familiar with those speeds, I am a bit of an adrenaline junkie. I used to be stupid and didn’t wear protective gear, but I always do now… only took a horrible concussion for me to realize that… regardless though, yes I will have all the proper protective gear. I don’t have a car, just a motorcycle, so with my helmet and leathers, with wrist, elbow, shoulder, back, and knee pads/supports I will be very well protected! I definitely want to build an absolute rocket of a board though with the best of everything. That’s why I am starting with dual, cause the costs of VESC 6 and motors and everything gets rather high, and I am just waiting for samsung to release the 30T and 40T hopefully in a month or so…
I am loving this process of getting ready to start building the board, like i’m super ADHD/OCD so I’ve just obsessed about so many things I want to do with regards to the battery, how to charge the battery, having a bunch of electronics setup and what can be accesed from outside of the enclosure, and have like a wireless charger built into the board, also building my own board, lol… I will be uploading a ton of pics for my build, I’m like super excited to start this. I can’t work on my motorcycle right now, so this is a good thing to occupy my extra time!
@uigiroux, adrenaline guy I hope you will eventually build your proper direct drive beast, because a pair of 6374 easily pushes you to 60-65kmh…with 0 noise and correct wheels…man you wanna experience this believe me (if you are not yet spoiled downhiller, who cannot have fun on less than 80kmh haha).
@fliess that’s what I’m hoping to achieve lol! I am waiting to hear back from some manufacturers about some custom motors, but I expect I’ll be starting my build within a month. I think I’m going to make a proper skateboard press first since I wanna design this board from scratch.
I hope you will eventually build your proper direct drive beast, because a pair of 6374 easily pushes you to 60-65kmh…with 0 noise and correct wheels…man you wanna experience this believe me (if you are not yet spoiled downhiller, who cannot have fun on less than 80kmh haha).