Yeah. There might be a loophole here. I may hit up some certification facilities to try and find out what does and doesn’t apply to motor controllers.
You’re fine, Enertion dsnt have a single EMC cert, nor does Trampa, CE stamp is on the official VESC6 tho. But its usually selfcertifiable.
Legally, no. You’re not in the clear if this is a commercial profiting product.
Send one to me and I’ll do the basic EN55xx for you. If it passes that you’ve come a long way.
Dont think I’ve posted this anywhere but here is the one i did on 4.12 hardware:
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I really appreciate the info and this offer! Things definitely are easier if I don’t have to worry about expensive certifications. The 4.12 seems to do decently well under the basic EN55xx test. I may add a few more caps in choice places on the new controller designs to minimize radiation.
The biggest peak is the MCU at 168mhz if I remember correctly. Can’t really do without it so 
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True. Eventually shielding would be the way to reduce radiation. I assume that putting the controller in an aluminum enclosure would help reduce overall emissions.
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So what draws the line for considering something a commercial profiting product? I’m guessing no VESC or VESC derivative on the market has crossed into this threshold?
All of them have, if you accept money for it, you’re obligated to be able to produce evidence of your stuff passing EMC compliances, in Sweden anyone can ask to see these documents and if the seller doesn’t have them/Its not a ok product you can get hefty fines and even be asked to pull back all sold units if its hurtful enough.
Part of this is the sole reason vedder doesn’t want to sell it on his own.
The “hobby” sector usually doesn’t draw this attention. But since the controller is finding its way into prebuilt stuff, I’m abit surprised noone got investigated yet.
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So these companies are currently taking a risk without these certs?
Very much so. Could even be calculated in the price 
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hmmm…I may not take that risk. FCC “unintentional radiator” testing can run $1,000USD to $1500USD. Probably less costly than the consequences of an investigation. Yes the price tag could help compensate for such things without inflating the price beyond reason.
The fine in Sweden was 10 000 euro few years ago, if investigation would show that your product did not comply with the EMC standards + you pay for the test. If extreme enough you’d have to recall all products. So yea…
Sad truth is that even though we have these controlling organs run by our government together with EU. They dont have time to do more then a few random tests on products by huge commercial chains buying bulks of thousands. By the time they get tested they’re usually taken out of the sellers current merchendise and replaced by something very similiar (that then needs a new test) and so on…
And the companies living of cheap chinese stuff of course uses this system to thier benefit. Once in a while they get nailed tho, but can afford the consequences.
The big risk is actually selling to different locations in the world… Since different parts have different rules, USA and FCC beeing the strictest on radio emissions. You could get into some deep trouble xD.
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Yes I can see how some just simply play the system. I’d rather do it right though. Especially since my controller design doesn’t have any wireless communication devices. This makes getting these certifications cheaper and easier. Users can always add cheap modules if they want wireless.
I’ll need at least NRTL, CE, and FCC certifications to properly sell worldwide. There my be some I missed there. Some can simply be declared like CE. I think its worth the trouble in the long run. I won’t be conducting business in constant fear of an investigation.
Start with one market to begin with and an EMC chamber that does pre-compliance (isn’t accredited). Its alot cheaper and good enough. Not sure if you noticed, but you cant buy the VESC6 from trampa with the NRF module if you’re in America.
Which I personally think is a good business practice by Trampa.
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Ah. I see there are some tactics here. It appears there are different ways to approach this. I really appreciate the advice. This information is hard to come by and may usually not be free.
Regardless of certs, I still have to make something that works in the first place. It will be full steam into the New FOCers after the Cheap FOCer beta testing.
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Its a very smaaaall department of nerds like me that work with this kind of shite. We’re friendly and kind but dont like direct sunlight; .www.shortlink.se/en/
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Yes…a familiar web page
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84V FOC controllers? Holy shit.
We have a test platform that could handle that. it has 10" pneumatic wheels, brushless inrunners, and 20mm belts, it just needs the ESC and a repacking of a drawer full of evolve cells.
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I wanna see a CAN-bused pair of Bad MF FOCer
@Martinsp has my address if you want to see it mated Gimp style to a set of these
But only beach…we are very much talking about a serious e-vehicle & I am running out of body parts
Maybe @moon can encourage some carnage
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what the hell is that and what the hell is that site lol
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Yep. Hope you guys got some low kV motors around.
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