First Build- An Attempt at Performance on a Budget

Ok so I’ve been doing a fair bit of research for the past week or so but I’m a newbie and could use some input. The goal is to have a board that I can use to commute to and from home to the gym/train station/work. I’d like it to be able to go up some pretty decent hills (I weigh 180lbs) and preferably go at least 20mph. Here’s the parts list that I’ve come up with. Please give me any suggestions that you have. Much appreciated.

Motor: 5065 1820W 270KV Brushless Motor, sensorless (X2) ESC: Maytech Dual ESC Battery: four 5S 18.5V 6000mAh 50C Li-po wired into a 10s2p battery pack Motor mount: Ebay motor mount (see link) Trucks: 180mm paris trucks wheels: 90mm flywheels

Links: Motor mount: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Longboard-Skateboard-Motor-Mount-for-5065-5055-6374-6364-Motor-New-/252797338872?hash=item3adbe544f8:g:8C8AAOSwuxFYyPia

**Motor:**http://www.ebay.com/itm/N5065-5065-270KV-Brushless-Motor-For-DIY-Electric-Skateboard-Scooter-Multicopter-/401293060506?hash=item5d6eee299a:g:cCkAAOSw4A5YzNaf

**ESC:**https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Maytech-Free-Shipping-electric-longboard-dual-motor-speed-controller-dual-hub-motor-skateboard-ESC/32810420455.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.22.0Q9cuJ&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_5010012_10065_10151_10130_10068_10136_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10107_10050_10142_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10182_10185_10078_10079_10073_10123_10189_142,searchweb201603_13,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=52a83181-c58b-4086-aed3-c99bc4f4df02&algo_expid=0f4f7224-a833-4771-bb53-2fe785fb6473-3&algo_pvid=0f4f7224-a833-4771-bb53-2fe785fb6473

**Battery:**https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-18-5V-6000mAh-50C-Max-55C-5S-5Cells-18-5Volt-RC-LiPo-Li-Poly-Battery/909108_725738546.html?spm=2114.12010612.0.0.7vLmVa

Trucks: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blank-Pro-180mm-Reverse-Kingpin-Longboard-Trucks-10-Axle-Black/140892408040?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3Def21fef8e74b44698d8749404a9bfa72%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D322382503804

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your name really says it all…

I don’t think it makes sense to build a dual on a budget. A single drive with vesc and 63mm motor will outperform it anyways. 20mph is easy!

and there are more than a few issues with these parts. I’ve never used any of them but to start the mounts need turned trucks like these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Paris-7-trucks-for-electric-longboard-skateboard-and-trucks-turning-service-/322382503804?var=&hash=item4b0f7e9f7c:m:mjDWqt3IHG7rizUboRW-qng

next up, you can not fit 2x 5065 on a single truck so you’d have to run diagonal. pretty sure that esc wants sensored motors!! even still 270kv on 10s is not a good match.

you’re also missing wheel/motor pulleys, belts,…and a remote.

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You’ll likely be unable to fit both motors on a single truck so you’ll have to do dual diagonal. Any ideas on what pulleys you’re going to use?

If you want to penny pinch, here is a cheaper motor :wink: https://de.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-Brushless-Outrunner-Motor-N5065-270KV-1665W-For-DIY-Electric-Skate-Board/32793728617.html?spm=2114.010208.3.44.xuSbRx&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10068_5010013_10136_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_5030013_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10179_10182_10185_10078_10079_10073_10123_10189_142,searchweb201603_9,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=c06cc9c4-740e-49eb-8fb3-acebac881f8c&algo_expid=f0a61d97-1986-41f1-b4e7-e49b248336b4-6&algo_pvid=f0a61d97-1986-41f1-b4e7-e49b248336b4

@saul @Jinra I’ll link the remote, gears, and pulleys that I plan to use. The motor gear has 20T and the wheel gear has 60. Also, if I wanted to fit two motors, what type do I need? and if you really think a single motor build is better… what components do you suggest?

Gears/Belt: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Maytech-electric-skateboards-pulley-and-belt-system-with-1pcs-NSK-f608zz-bearing/32770135067.html?spm=2114.01010208.0.0.uBffm7

Remote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4GHz-Radio-Remote-Controller-Receiver-Binding-Plug-For-Electric-Skateboard/262779892776?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3Da6ae4bac9dee45189a43b12c995e976b%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D232284516689

Just dont do it like this…you will end up buying better and reliable parts…I tried something similar with my first build, and all the parts I tried to make cheaply are today gone, I replaced them with more reliable ones…

At least spend more money on the mechanical part…so caliber trucks, motor mount from a member of this forum (from 22$, just search), 3d printed wheel pulley (12$ also from forum), motor pulley + belt from ebay and it will not be pain in the ass…

The electronics…if you want cehap setup, you can go 6s on 240 - 270kv motor with Car ESC, it is cheap and good solution…But I higly recommend VESC

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They are saying a single motor build is better because you dont need a dual drive for your performance demands, if you go dual with cheap components things will break and the quality of the components will be quite low. But if you build a single drive you are using less components for the same price so they can be better, better quality.

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@Rinzler Absolutely true

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Ok so in that case- What do you suggest my build should look like in terms of components? I had also considered buying maytech or lofty ambition hub motors to eliminate the complexity of belts and gears… I was thinking that going with hub motors may allow for a more low maintenance setup, and I would of course need VESCs for that setup since the hub motors would be sensored. The only reason I was turned off by that route was over concern that the hub motors may not be able to take abuse from rough pavement. Any thoughts? I’ll link the hub motors i’m talking about below. I would be hooking these up to the same battery setup, which in theory should give me a fair bit of power. Thoughts?

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Maytech-wireless-receiver-remote-and-90mm_60596635246.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.XvXIX7

Nobody tested those hub motors, trust me if your on a budget you dont want to be the first. Most of the builds in the community are the mostly the same, because we know what works and what doesnt :wink: I advise you to use the search function of the forum and search for builds that have the same things you are sure about etc.you are going to use a 10s lipo pack.

Here is it, have a read, find a board that performs good, maybe ask a few questions to the builder of the board and just copy, copy, copy because you are quite new here and on a budget and experimentation leads to trial and error which costs :cry: https://www.electric-skateboard.builders/search?expanded=true&q=10s%20lipo%20%20%23e-board-builds

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Which motor is better for a single motor build?

Option 1: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-aerodrive-sk3-6364-190kv-brushless-outrunner-motor.html?___store=en_us

Option 2: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-aerodrive-sk3-6364-245kv-brushless-outrunner-motor.html?___store=en_us

Option 3: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-aerodrive-sk3-6374-149kv-brushless-outrunner-motor.html?___store=en_us

I’ve started to sort out my other components. I was looking into the Alien power systems motor (i’ll link it below) but I couldn’t find gears that would fit the 10mm shaft.

Alien Power motor: http://alienpowersystem.com/shop/brushless-motors/alien-6374-sensored-outrunner-brushless-motor-170kv-3200w/

Option 5:

i’ve been really tempted to get one of these, good price. 190kv is perfect for 10s. https://hobbyking.com/en_us/kd-53-30-high-voltage-brushless-outrunner-190kv.html

@saul @smurf have either of you built with the motors you suggested? and it looks like I can get pulleys for the Alien power systems motor which is rated for 3200W and 170Kv which I think would give me plenty of torque and speed. Would a 190Kv, 2000W motor get me up hills and going fast?

OK here’s what I’ve come up with in consideration with the suggestions you all have given me. Let me know if this seems like a compatible build. If I’ve understood everything I’ve been reading, these parts should be compatible and give me a board that should go up hills and relatively fast. What do you all think? let me know. thanks.

Motor: Turnigy Aerodrive SK3 - 6364-190kv Brushless Outrunner Motor Battery: four 5S 18.5V 6000mAh 50C Li-po wired into a 10s2p battery pack ESC: Maytech VESC Remote: 2.4 ghz controller & receiver Gears/ Belts: 15T on Motor, 36T on Wheel 15mm belt (From Ebay) Wheels: 90MM flywheels Trucks: Getting a pair from Ebay to fit the motor mounts which are also from Ebay. See links below.

Links To Everything **Motor Mount:**http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Longboard-Skateboard-Motor-Mount-for-5065-5055-6374-6364-Motor-New-/122382295648?hash=item1c7e8da260:g:eA0AAOSwCU1YulzI

**Trucks:**http://www.ebay.com/itm/Paris-7-trucks-for-electric-longboard-skateboard-and-trucks-turning-service-/322382503804?var=&hash=item4b0f7e9f7c:m:mjDWqt3IHG7rizUboRW-qng

**Gears and Belt:**http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-Electric-Skateboard-ABEC-Flywheel-Pulley-Kit-15mm-Wide-Belts/272671900207?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3D16907880bd2b4d059ae210ee1b53795a%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D272671887289

**Remote:**http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4GHz-Radio-Remote-Controller-Receiver-Binding-Plug-For-Electric-Skateboard/262779892776?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3Da6ae4bac9dee45189a43b12c995e976b%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D232284516689

**Motor:**https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-aerodrive-sk3-6364-190kv-brushless-outrunner-motor.html?___store=en_us

**ESC:**https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Maytech-ESC-RC-VESC-for-outboard-motor-remote-control/32735966588.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.8.vSz4N8&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_5010012_10065_10151_10130_10068_10136_10137_10060_10138_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10107_10050_10142_10051_5030013_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10178_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10182_10185_10078_10079_10073_10123_10189_142,searchweb201603_16,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=1f92bb8d-3fdd-4330-ab5d-a8869fe8b31d&algo_expid=da4569bd-0fe5-46b1-a2a4-09a9a1e2afed-1&algo_pvid=da4569bd-0fe5-46b1-a2a4-09a9a1e2afed

**Wheels:**http://www.ebay.com/itm/90mm-80a-Gel-Soft-Longboard-Wheels-Neon-Green-/182602253222?hash=item2a83f143a6:g:GfUAAOSwKOJYG73k

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If you bay Maytech VESC you will probably have to upload the frimware…

How do you mean exactly? Is that a difficult process that involves a sepperate PCB or is that just plug and play with a usb cable and clicking a button?

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No, it works fine without the need to upload any firmware.

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Anyway, it will be better if you ask the vendor if the firmware is uploaded…

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I have programmed ESC and receivers before, so using the BLDC tool and updating the ESC is something I should be able to do fairly easily if I have to. Other than that- does everything look good? I am thinking of ordering everything today.