I think the question that you raise, then, would be if this will be a con for esk8 builders specifically as you seem to imply, or all eskaters.
If the latter, there are other groups to consider, for example, people who buy them and ride them, instead of building them, in which case they’re going to want to be able to meet and greet the vendors of the boards themselves as they’re as of now typically actual companies.
I personally agree very much that we’re still at the very beginning of a grassroots movement. I do think there’s a want for medium scale gatherings as evident from the amount of people who attended the meet & ride event I put on. I don’t think we want to do a global convention right now considering we already missed the golden period for cheap air tickets and have set the date too soon. I don’t think many people will be willing to travel for a global esk8 convention right now. I don’t think we need to rent out anything at all, but should instead do informal regional gatherings until the gatherings physically can’t support the amount of people anymore.
My earlier comments were more for if we do decide to go the convention route, and even there I have many concerns… So I do agree with you @Alphamail 100%, and would even extend your sentiments to include the parts of the community that are not on esk8.builders
I think its a bad idea to turn this into a esk8 convention. It’s already been done on multiple fronts, Evolve has it locked up. What we need is a esk8 builders convention.
This is simply for purposes of planning how big of an area we need for tents and items, of course everybody is treated as equals.
I’m going to have to disagree on that. Insurance is always a good idea, a rented venue ensures that we don’t get angry people trying to kick us out, and the idea of having an official Esk8con is something that I love. If other’s don’t feel the same way, I can stop looking for venues to rent. That being said, I just spent the last 4 hours exploring possible venues and came up with some pretty good results. Video will be up later today explaining my thoughts and providing enough information so that everyone can form their own opinion.
I’d love to have it “esk8 builders only”, but at the same time we can get a lot more attention if we expand to include everyone. As it is, I’m considering asking a few established esk8 companies (I have some potential connections) to help fund the venue. That means food trucks, security, helping with energy usage and rent, etc.
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I’d ask everyone to wait on making final decisions, considering I’ll have a video out later today with much more information. Thanks!
But not on a community front. We have a few gathers up (NYC & BAESK8) but nothing meant to draw the entire international community by the community. If this event is only for ESK8 Builders, then you’ve cut down a good amount of people, even if you say anyone can come. And while the builders forums are plentiful , it is in no way the majority or even big enough to justify spending money to reserve fields/places to ride, equipment, insurance fees, etc. Both the pre-built and DIY community are built on one another , with one another, and progress when the other makes progress. To not turn this into a ESK8 convention and only a builders convention is insane to me
I’m not sure that’s the attention you want, but I wont argue the point. You are at risk of losing the audience you/we want if you get 100 prebuilt vendors and 3 diy vendors. I’m not trying to start anything, I just didn’t think that was the purpose of this thing.
Why? I find that building is almost as much fun as riding. Prebuilts have nothing to offer me, they typically use the innovations that we discover and very seldom actually contribute to our community. I don’t see the common ground with prebuilt manufacturers, maybe prebuilt riders. This is for them… electric-skateboard.club
That sounds great, and as a general philosophy I am in total agreement, but we are talking about a convention. A defacto business entity, at least it shouldn’t lose money, so outlook planning and management has to take that into account You don’t see milk fans at a milk producers convention, there’s a good reason too, they like to drink milk not make it…there is no impetus.
If yall want a convention for esk8, that’s another matter, I thought we were planning a convention for esk8 builders. I’m happy to take part, even put up some of the cost, but there needs to be a clear project plan in place if this is going to be successful.
This is true, but I’m thinking that most of us are not going to be able to drag our workshops along with us to actually build something from scratch.
That being said, I think there is an opportunity for some subject matter experts to give talks and demos. I’d do a demo on taking a design to 2.5D aluminum part. I think I might be able to line up a sponsor for the CNC too. Just need a decent PC and a projector. Or even a 3D printing primer for those interested in that topic.
I see this as an opportunity to learn from one another and have a great time while doing so!
For you. Others would disagree. Prebuilts like Boosted and Evolve has inspired people to make better boards and clones. Hell prebuilts are the reason for many on why they’ve become builders or Filthy Commisioners (me ).
So wouldn’t you want to include more audience base that draws in more money to subsidize (I’m bad at words) the cost ? Builders, while wide and large, are in no way big enough nor have the funds (travel, hotels, etc) to faithfully subsidize this event. If anything , you want builders AND pre-builders.
Agreed , next post should be a poll on whether people wants this to be a builder convention or All-Esk8 convention.
@mikenyc@mmaner you can be weary of it now but I’d love to see the joy in your faces if everyone in the world suddenly used esk8s instead of cars - production or not
I don’t say this to be an ass, but it’s impossible to constructively argue against rhetoric. I think there plenty of people to support this right here in our little community.
But the idea of this wasn’t founded on “let’s have a builders convention”. It was founded on the very premise of combining everyone. Builder and non-builder. Boosted or acton. Hell even if you had a freakin onewheel. Even a stinkin alibaba board.
When @Michaelinvegas started this, he didn’t want a convention based on whether or not you’re a builder. Dammit he just wanted anyone and everyone who had a god Danm board to have a good ass time. The basis of having event only for builders and nice and all, but that is not nor was It ever the basis of what this idea was founded on. (My fault if I’m sounding aggressive bro)
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