I think re-branding should only happen once a specific change has been made to the original open source design. Could get a little confusing for the uninitiated otherwise.
ESC8 sounds like a good name for a fork in the OS design specific to electric skate. Or V-ESC8?
@chacka, i think your redesign from 4.12 with direct Fet´s was a good way for all the customer they want a good 4.12 that was working and don´t want pay over 350$ fore one V… We have redesigned the 4.12 too and we have used some parts from your design. And i must say ist very good working. You give the community your knowledge continue and try it making better. And you will not get rich by it. But it is and remains a community that is strong But not stupid. I wish you for your work And toil also thanks get
Don’t forget about @onloop and especially @Blasto for their contribution with the VESC-X. Nice to be able control the heat with the Direct-FETs isn’t it!
MBS!!! Say it with me. MBS Mountainboards. They invented Mountainboards.
I think the original design for a direct FET upgrade was the VESC 5, which never happened because Benjamin wanted to bite the bullet and rewrite the software, which ended in VESC SIX and VESC-Tool. Anyway, its good to see different DF designs because this means more choice for the customer.
Frank
Yes, Jet Skateboards, Abec 11 Wheels, Biltin Bearings, Attack, Liquid and Fyre Trucks. Our wood shop ran into trouble and got way behind schedule because when they received a huge wood order, NONE of the plies delivered were cross plies. You can’t make a deck that doesn’t warp without cross. They got their cross recently and are in the process of making your favorite Potatoes, Vulcans, KillShots, etc.
Sorry for the delays … I hate not having what you want when you need it ;(
wow - big fan. Now where’s all my flywheels? Quit selling them all to evolve already ! I jumped on the carvon kickstarter and am really stoked to see you guys working together. Can’t wait for my Carvon V3/Liquid trucks !
Now I’m confused. You’re saying what NOT to call it, but you’re not suggesting what we SHOULD call. It’s been called a VESC for so long now that everyone in the electric skateboard market now has the problem of trying to figure out what to call it that isn’t “VESC”. And yes, everyone using it in other markets is screwed as well. I’m just trying to come up with a name that “we” (meaning the skateboard community) can live with. We didn’t create this problem for ourselves, the rug was pulled out from under us and now we’re scrambling to accommodate Vedder and apparently Trampa.
This doesn’t have to be a big deal, but we DO need a name. It sucks because obviously “VESC” is the name that everyone knows, understands, and has been using since day one.
What do you suggest that we use now that VESC is off the table?
Do you really think that the person who decided that we are not allowed to use the name VESC anymore should decide how it should be named ??
I’m not saying WHO should decide, I’m asking WHAT he suggests. I don’t want a name such as “The artist formerly known as Prince” when everyone wants to call him Prince. Suddenly saying, “Hey, you can’t use that name anymore” is problematic at best, and a really bad marketing decision that will bite people in the ass at worst. Seriously, what the hell are people supposed to call a Vedder designed/inspired ESC that everyone has just called a VESC for years? VESC is the best name for any and all such ESCs, regardless of whether or not they are open-source or not. Personally I think that Benjamin should have his trademark but never enforce it unless and until he wants to shut down every open-source version. Trampa can have the only one called a VESC6 and everyone would know that their’s is different than other VESCs, but forcing others to call their VESCs something other than VESC is just lame.
A rose by any other name …
You can call a old Vesc still Vesc and the new ones too. Or DRVCooker, Coollittlespeedbox or whatever you want. New Vesc will have new names, like Enertions Vesc is now a Focbox.
You just can´t call it a Vesc anymore written on a product or as a vendor.
Hi @ChrisChaput, If you look into this world, you will see that many OS-Projects exist, despite the fact that the projects are having TMs. Third party hardware simply uses different names - still everyone knows its compatible.
How do you call a Arduino Clone or Compatible device?
What would you suggest the VESC-Project should use as Trademark? Benjamin called his project VESC from day one, so its probably the TM he should own.
@akira[quote=“akira, post:400, topic:23017, full:true”] Do you really think that the person who decided that we are not allowed to use the name VESC anymore should decide how it should be named ?? [/quote]
Am I the person who decided that the community is not allowed to use the name VESC any more? The person who registered the TM is Benjamin BTW and he did that for a very good reason. VESC links back to his good name, because he is the guy behind the project. The community (users) can use the name VESC as much as it likes. The Arduino community probably uses the Arduino TM frequently although the project does business on selling its own hardware and protects its TM, just like any other OS-Project does.
Frank
vesc is too hard to say anyway and VEC is what I always called it. Hoping it catches.
It’s a long thread and sorry if I’m redoing it but Is every vendor going to come up with their own name for a variation of the 4 now?
Cant someone pretty much make the 6 and just call it whatever they want other than the vesc? Looking forward to that! $400 for the 6 is going too far and there’s still a huge amount of room for other vendors it seems.
Please someone make a VEC 4 that is reliable on FOC! I don’t need 50 amps continuous by a long shot.
Is the unreliability of FOC due to high erpm mainly?
Once again you’ve completely avoided the question of what everyone is supposed to call their VESC now.
I’ll answer your question. Benjamin should call his trademarked VESC-Project a VESC. Everyone would know what it is and he could add numbers and letters and symbols to it over time to make his unique. What I’m saying is that everyone should also be allowed to call theirs a VESC as well. There’s no (good) reason why not to. Benjamin obviously has the right to call it a VESC and no one would ever suggest that he not.
The time to enforce a Trademark is BEFORE the universe has accepted, adopted, and used a name in commerce for years. It’s really too late to expect everyone NOT to use the only name that’s ever been used to describe an object.
Not going to swear but some people need to get a f#$kin grip it’s a speed controller. Ud think ppl would be more chilled out given the nature of the sport we love. A Rose by any other name would smell as sweet. I like vec
We going with our new design from 4.12 with the name ESK8 Controller what is in realty! Nobody really needs a V … 6 It was surely a good controller. As has already been said it is too oversized for an e-board
I think the best Name would have been VESK8 but can not used! Shit happens. V= Vedder + ESK8 really simple.
Question is why Benjamin felt he needed to do this. It seems to me it wasn’t sustainable for him to continue working on this project. My guess is that the donations weren’t enough to keep him going. I’d like to see released the list of vendors who actually donated. Might add clarity as to why Benjamin decided he needed to do this. You can’t sink the boot into trampa without kicking Benjamin as well. @ChrisChaput you could call yours JetSC. Assuming you are planning on releasing Jet branded Eskate? Can we start a thread on that!
Hi esk8: Do you plan to release your new design as opensouce project ?
If you have the TM, you need to assure that no one else uses it, since a TM serves the purpose that people can identify the original source. Legally you can’t allow third parties to use the TM. That’s the way it is.
Since most open source projects have a TM, there is probably a good reason for it. So it’s pretty obvious that Benjamin should have the TM before someone else takes it together with the OS-Code. In consequence it’s not possible to share the TM. You also have to see that the project is more about the software than the hardware.
Frank